Does Thailand Need Submarines At All?

Re-posted from Australia by the Indian Ocean

Posted: 12 Aug 2015 03:23 AM PDT

Thailand’s surrounding sea depths (see map above) severely limit operations for any future Thai submarine service. The lightest blue (almost white) for the seas/oceans on the map indicate sea depths of less than 200 meters around Thailand’s whole coastline. This is for Thailand’s west coast (Andaman Sea) and especially east coast (Gulf of Thailand – out to hundreds of kilometers). (Map courtesy US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)).

Perhaps Thailand should be considering submarines of 500 tons or less. Mini-submarines are harder to see in shallow water and are several hundred $million cheaper for three. Perhaps South Korea’s 200 ton Dolgorae class or even North Korea’s 300 ton Sang O class?

Thailand’s major strategic issues are on land. Thailand’s politico-military power is well served by non-aligned neutrality, overall good relations with its immediate Southeast Asian neigbours (Malaysia, Myanmar, Laos) tense but manageable relations with Cambodia. Indonesia is a middle power with no tensions with Thailand(?) Australia is no threat. China and India are the great regional powers.

Thailand’s debate “Do we need submarines” has continued for decades. So why does Thailand want submarines? To protect fisheries? Anti-drug smugglers? To intercept refugee boats? For intelligence gathering? To satisfy an ally who demands or expects submarine activities?

To detect and intercept fishing boats, drug smuggling boats and refugee boats best requires patrol boats. Patrol boats do not need to look through a periscope or hide. Patrol boats operate by having constant radio contact, radar and visual sight. Satellite links help. Thailand’s patrol boats and larger ships deter by being seen.

The Thai Navy is big enough to handle navies of its immediate neigbours. Is India a threat? Or is the possibility of future unimagined threats sufficient to justify a submarine purchase?

Is China the main threat? If so buying submarines off China builds military bilateral relations – cash for good relations. China is probably no longer prepared to provide soft loans or write off debt-costs. With slower Chinese growth and China’s 2015 financial/stockmarket shocks China is probably expecting hard currecy payment for the three submarines. Has that demand hindered the Thai-China submarine deal?

China has already excessively reduced the price per submarine (now US$333 million with training + spares included). The standard international price for a submarine is around US$500 million and then AIP costs extra. Training and spares over several years is often another $500 million per sub.

Additional reasons to have submarines are to keep up with the neighbours in a regional submarine race – for political and strategic power, deterrence and prestige.

Looking internally into Thailand it needs to be asked “Has 2014’s political crisis given the Army power that makes the Navy jealous?

Is the Navy therefore entitled to have an expensive weapons system because the Navy does not have the same level of power?”

Please connect with Submarine Matters:

Thailand Puzzling Whether to Buy Chinese Submarines, July 16, 2015

Thailand may eventually purchase two submarines, March 25, 2015.

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